joining me is jesse jackson. thanks for joining us. >> let me say god bless the veterans. we tend to love soldiers much more than we do veterans. the veterans getting the care they deserve is a good thing. >> i agree with you wholeheartedly. but let's go with this case being brought to the supreme court because the plaintiff says governments covered by the law made substantial progress in the past 50 years or so nearly. is it still needed? >> very much. there are patterns of race discrimination today. you look at the voting patterns on on the map, for example, and it's not just the southern phenomenon. it may have been gerrymandering. all these schemes have denied the right to vote. if anything has happened since '65, it has gotten worse. you think about one big factor in the race was an attempt to purge voters in ohio. they lost that case. there was an attempt to not only purge the voters, but use voter suppression schemes. they lost that case. they tried to stop early voting. they lost that case. those became stimulus. >> may i ask about the state of ohio because you spe